(Exclusive.) Our guest this week on The Breaker pod is Vanessa Grigoriadis, a journalist with an enviable portfolio, having written for the likes of New York Magazine, Rolling Stone, and Vanity Fair. 

From Seahorse at Union Square (cheers to owner John McDonald), Grigoriadis, who is the founder of Campsite Media, tells us about the inflation and implosion of the podcasting industry. 

“I can make a really interesting interview show for $5,000 an episode. But I gotta be able to make $5,000 back in ads, at least. And that's like, I don't know, a hundred thousand listens. It's very hard to make money,” she told us. 

Grigoriadis’s turn to podcasting came after years of profiling celebrities for print, an interview style that doesn’t always resonate in the TikTok age.

“I've interviewed a lot of people who have massive, massive followers on TikTok, and you try to talk to them, and it's like they're so media trained, they can't connect with you. They're not authentic. You know, and those are the people who are sort of leading the culture.” 

Revealing a scoop of her own on the pod, Grigoriadis told us she’d found Breaker’s name in the Epstein files. “I was like, who are the sketchy people I know?” Tune into the Breaker Pod this week to find out how it got there.

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